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/Film: Why The Dark Knight will Beat Titanic

  • www.myspace.com/coreywilson10 · 1 year ago
    I don't think it's going to beat Titanic
  • AJ · 1 year ago
    Not in this release, and not when you have Star Wars 3D just around the corner ready to reclaim the #2 spot, maybe even the big number one.
  • Brian from OR · 1 year ago
    If they do release it during the holiday season I don't see it making a whole lot of money. Since it already has made a hell of lot of money! And for new footage, if WB was smart they will not do anything like that. Since I can see Chris Nolan not returning to do a 3rd Batman movie for WB messing with his film.
  • Peter Sciretta · 1 year ago
    Brian: Agreed. WB wouldn't do a special edition without the involvement of Nolan. I heard Nolan's first cut of the film was 15 minutes longer (not sure where I heard this so take it with a grain). I can't imagine that he wouldn't mind that version eventually getting released, at least on dvd. Again, I heard it was just extended scenes and sequences, nothing major deleted.
  • Errol · 1 year ago
    Brian from OR doesn't know what he's talking about. Yes, it has made tons of money already but with special edition DVDs being the most profitable form of DVDs in the market, plus everyone who really loved Dark Knight, which is a lot of people, well buy this special edition to see how some of these amazing scenes were shot, see extra longer scenes, and audio commentary that will be sure to be heard by almost everyone who purchases it. As for people not so in love with the Dark Knight but think it's cool, they will buy this special edition for two reasons: one would be the fact that you get so much more than just the regular DVD for only 2 or 3 dollars that it's hard to resist, and the almost 100% guarantee there will be Heath Ledgers all ove the special features. Brian from OR, I say again you don't know what you're talking about. And as for they footage, Nolan would not base his 3rd movie on WB rereleasng a longer version, because most of the time the reason why directors have to cut as much as they do is because the production company makes them.
  • John · 1 year ago
    50 years from now there will likely be an entirely new 'top 10' films of all time anyway so why is it so important who is number 1 right now.
  • why so serial? · 1 year ago
    It would be smart to rerelease it a month before the 3rd film opens. A wait of 3 or 4 years in between releases and the out of this world anticipation for the 3rd film would make The Dark Knight a TON of money. I know I would want to see it again in theatres just before the next movie.
  • Peter Sciretta · 1 year ago
    John: Your question is akin to asking: "Why do you care who is going to win this year's superbowl? In 50 years it will be a totally different team with a completely different lineup"
  • Bob · 1 year ago
    yeah i don't see it happening during this release. of course it will be rereleased in the future. i can see it being released before the third Nolan Batman or if they ever have a new director doing a new batman trilogy after Nolan is done with his Batman series.

    plus you are absolutely forgetting that lucas will without a doubt rerelease the star wars franchise and probably in 3D as well.

    or james cameron could possibly rerelease titanic as well

    bottom line: the dark knight has had a good run, but to be realistic its not going to be number one anytime soon
  • Hefty Lefty · 1 year ago
    I agree with Why so serial?, if they rereleased the movie a few months before the third film, it would make a shit-ton of money. I would definitely go and see it again before the new one came out.
  • Captain Awesome · 1 year ago
    I still think about the crazy DVD sales this thing is going to pull...
  • Gustavo · 1 year ago
    And after they eventually re-realease TITANIC (it will happen someday, just don't know when) it'll surpass TDK... Big deal.
  • Iron Matt · 1 year ago
    Let's hope this prediction is more accurate than Devin Faraci's "The Dark Knight won't break any records..." comment.
  • A Better Class of Criminal · 1 year ago
    Well, we could all change the tides right now.
    If Everybody got together and went to see the film 1 more time this week maybe we could push it over the top.

    Extended Cut? Well now I have to see it.
  • Superman · 1 year ago
    If it had better competition than some crappy mummy and cgi star wars sequel, this would be a different story. It was a slow summer. May next year bring lots of good movies and shit.
  • Justin · 1 year ago
    This isn't necessarily only a reflection on /Film but...

    Goddamnit, I'm sick of The Dark Knight box office talk. If and when it breaks different records, that's newsworthy. Other than it, it devolves into a neverending shouting match with a derivative of one the following statements: "I want it to be #1 because I hate Titanic", "why do you care if it's #1?", "I've seen it [x] times!", and "with inflation, it doesn't even matter!".
  • Tommy Tricker · 1 year ago
    I honestly hope that it does not beat Titanic. Allthough I enjoyed TDK a hell of allot the over the top hype around it is just too much that it's making me dislike the film.
  • Enrique Garcia · 1 year ago
    Peter, you make a valid point with the re-release idea, one that brings a smile to my face as I'd love nothing for more TDK to have overtaken Titanic :P

    But in our society, even if TDK does eventually make more than Titanic in re-release, then TDK will be known as "that movie that made more than Titanic... the second time around" LOL so it's almost lose/lose :)
  • viewdrix · 1 year ago
    If someone rereleases Titanic for its 15th, 20th, 25th anniversary, or what have you, this whole theory goes down the toilet.

    Yay hypotheticals!
  • Matt · 1 year ago
    @ Tommy

    me and you are the minority man. i completely agree with you. i can understand the heath ledger death but seriously this is not the best superhero film ever. iron man had the same fresh rating on rotten tomatoes last time i checked.

    @ viewdrix

    you are definitely correct sir
  • Goobity · 1 year ago
    Until I get a cut of the profits, I don't care what film is "#1". I enjoyed TDK. I got my money's worth, and that's good enough for me.
  • Guest · 1 year ago
    @Matt

    Yeah, because Rotten Tomatoes is incontrovertible evidence of quality.
  • VE · 1 year ago
    WHAT? Re-release should not really be counted in all time grosses. Any movie can do that. If Titanic was released in the years after it was released in IMAX with deleted and altered scenes it wouldve surely made more. Im not trying to justify Titanics standings but it just seems like a cheat or a loophole.
  • Peter Sciretta · 1 year ago
    VE: rereleases hae always counted towards the box office cume. Before home video movies would be rereleased in theaters dozens of times. The total for Star Wars if the result of something like 5 or so official releases (and many theaters replayed the film in theaters over the years unofficially)
  • Captain Awesome · 1 year ago
    Matt,

    Why do people use Rotten Tomatoes as some sort of infallible gauge to validate "any" film? I never understood why people constantly use that website for anything other than critique tallies and box office info.
  • Luke · 1 year ago
    TDK is not a 600 million dollar movie. It's a good film. I think it's far from a great film. What is the big deal? Why do people hate Titanic so much and love this DK so much??
  • orange cinema · 1 year ago
    if they really wanna honor heath, they need to take that big fat pile of $600 mil and set it the fuck on fire.
  • chris · 1 year ago
    the dark knight is without a doubt the best film ever made.
  • Steven · 1 year ago
    Whatever happens...it's Very Very Important and not mental masturbation in any way, shape, or form.
  • Brian from OR · 1 year ago
    ERROL you have no idea what you are talking about. I was talking about the theather release, not DVD sales. I know its going to make a ton of money when it comes out on DVD. But there is no logic at all for them to spend the money to push the movie back out into theathers when the DVD release is out. Now if they waited a few years and do a all 3-D verison of the movie then yeah I can see it making more money and passing Titanic. ERROL again you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the subject on Chris Nolan and how he makes films. The cut that is out right now is his DIRECTOR'S CUT of The Dark Knight. He is not the kind of person to leave something out. Nolan has complete control over his films. WB knows this and they will not dare risk losing him has a director over a few mintues of film, after he has gotten the series back on track. Right now he is not even signed on to come back to do a 3rd one unless David Goyer, his brother Jonathan Nolan, or someone else really convinces him that they can do something new and different for a 3rd film. The man hates to repeat himself.
  • Rogue · 1 year ago
    This is a good speculation and analysis. I may or may not agree for I have no idea about the statistics but if indeed this prediction holds true, I would be happy about it...
  • dakazee · 1 year ago
    wont beat titanic because it wont be in theaters as long
  • Og · 1 year ago
    I think Warner Bros could break that record this year if they just adopt the old trick Pixar uses where they add some extra footage after the credits. I would totally go see it again if they gave me a few bonuses after the creds. Especially heath ledger extras. If they do that, they will bridge that gap in two weeks and be on top.
  • bp · 1 year ago
    i'm sick of people complaining about other peoples obsession with TDK's. waah, there's a movie people really like and enjoy talking about. why don't you stop being such a buzzkill and, i don't know, maybe enjoy a really fucking good movie that's getting the praise it deserves. batman is fucking awesome, ledger is fucking awesome, and nolan is fucking awesome. deal with it.
  • Ronnie · 1 year ago
    My local theatre just opened their IMAX this weekend and they playing...drum roll please...F'n Kung-Fu Panda, are you kidding me? So I saw TDK in a regular theatre again. Which for the 10pm show was about half full. More than likely would have been sold out in IMAX and at about $15 a ticket (regular price is $10). My biggest question is why does Disaster Movie stay on 2,600 screens when it's making squat but TDK drops below it on screen count by countinues to out gross it and many other movie by a wide margin. Morons. It will top out around $540-550 million before it's pulled in late November or early December.
  • Wall•E Plays Pong · 1 year ago
    I very much hope there is an extended cut that will be released eventually. I mean, why cut the the little clip we saw in the trailers of the Joker lurching forward in the street, back to the camera, pulling out his knife until it flicks out with his creeping advance towards a downed Batman? That little moment was fantastic in the trailer and would only support the mounting tension of that scene.

    Not to mention the script has a scene of Joker escaping the fundraiser in a getaway vehicle, which would at least put to rest questions over what happened with that giant awkward scene transition.

    I couldn't care less if the Dark Knight broke any sort of damn record, but I really want the cut scenes to reappear to make a more coherent and structured film, maybe even making it that much more compelling.
  • goozebusters · 1 year ago
    not only will this movie not beat titanic, but when adjustments are made for inflation, it's still about a hundred million short.
  • Kaboodle Monster · 1 year ago
    These figures are totally irrelevent without taking inflation into account, it seems people just arn't getting that. If you want to talk about how well it's done compare it to other recent movie releases. It's cool that they might re-release it in IMAX cinemas though since I didn't get a chance to see it in that format.
  • Captain Awesome · 1 year ago
    "but I really want the cut scenes to reappear to make a more coherent and structured film"

    What??? It was coherent and structured just fine.
  • Anthony · 1 year ago
    I'm off to see TDK for the second time at my IMAX in London today. Each month they extend the dates. its just been extended to the middle of November and looking at the bookings they are already close to selling out the rest of september and the decent seats are going fast for October too. The film is still being shown through out the whole day and evening too.
  • Woody · 1 year ago
    Making it in 3D will be the only way to pass Titanic
  • Jiffy Jones · 1 year ago
    I think you might be on to something there.

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  • Matt · 1 year ago
    @ Captain Awesome

    I loved Iron Man. That was the best superhero film in my opinion. I can understand why everyone loved the Dark Knight. I loved it until all of nonstop hype that came afterwards. I still like the movie, but Iron Man was my favorite. So excuse me for having an opinion

    Also, I was just using Rotten Tomatoes as an example since that website seems to be used for everything these days, but I did not know that I was going to get this much backlash for using Rotten Tomatoes. Next time I will just use MetaCritic lol.
  • Albo · 1 year ago
    "One thing is or sure, the enviable digital conversion of IMAX theater will make the distribution of such a rerelease more cost effective."

    I'll eat my shorts if Dark Knight looks nearly as good projected digitally as it does projected through a giant IMAX film frame.
  • JMoney · 1 year ago
    INFLATION



    show me some comparisons that actually matter, like estimates of how many people actually saw the movie.

    I love The Dark Knight, but comparing gross revenue is pointless, it didn't cost $10 to go see a movie when Titanic came out
  • why so serial? · 1 year ago
    @JMoney

    And there also wasn't any competition either. And there was no rush or market to push it to a DVD release. It ran for 9 months as well. Do you think that ANY movie could do that now? Uhhh, I don't think so. It's different times so the "adjusted gross" comparisons aren't worth much to me. TDK is in the top 25 (I think) of adjusted gross and the rest of the top 25......Disney movies and films of the 30's and films with multiple, multiple releases and films that ran in theatres for decades. Again, all of which COULD NOT happen today. Not that any of this matters but I get the feeling that some people
  • why so serial? · 1 year ago
    forget how much the film industry has changed in the last 10 years.



    *sorry for the cut off post*
  • chris · 1 year ago
    this just in: /film number one all time in dark knight related news stories!!!!!!
  • Errol · 1 year ago
    You people are stupid, none of you know what you're talking about. titanic has made the most money ever on some sort of weird ass fluke, The Dark Knight has set the bar for ALL future films, no matter if they're a comic movie or not, the future of how films are made is now changed forever because of the Dark Knight. Titanic just fluked. Dark Knight is one of the top 20 best films of all time and will remain that way, even in 50 years time, Citizen Kane is #1 and always will be. Brian from OR again doesn't know what he's saying but I'm not going to point out what it is, since it would just engage in stupid comment back and forth acts. As for whoever said that to honor Heath they should set the money on fire?! What the fuck are you talking about, you're a complete and utter moron who doesn't understand anything and if anyone had balls, they would hit you in the face with a tire Iron. yes, Iron Man also did extremely well, BUT Iron Man was a movie people loved, but didn't expect to, Batman was the movie people have always wanted, but never got, so it's almost not even fair to compare them, but Dark Knight is now an amazing artistic AND Technical achievement in film making. Yes, inflation changes everything, but then again we're not talking about inflation, because that would just be unfair, different times, different money, it's not fair to use inflation, because if you did, then Gone with the Wind would be the #1 movie money maker ever, because with inflation it made like 3 billion! Inflation is an unfair device that no one could ever even hope to live up to. Most of you on here are complete morons, some are just misunderstood.
  • Matt · 1 year ago
    @ Errol

    that comment you just made was extremely stupid. we are not morons and titanic was no fluke. there are no flukes in the box office. people pay money to see movies so its their own fault if they see a good movie like the dark knight or a bad movie like disaster movie. and by the way the dark knight is not one of the twenty best movies of all time. if you are judging by imdb than thats a fluke. i can go on with those whole argument but i have better things to do than complain about your bullshit
  • entertainmenttodayandbeyond · 1 year ago
    Its amazing that as of last weekend when The Dark Knight had grossed 503 mil after 46 days Titanic had grossed a little over 300 mil in the same time period back in 1997. Personaly I don't think there will be a re-release and there is absolutely no Way Warner Bros will not release the film on DVD in December. There's another 300-500 mil in sales in that format and they are not going to pass on that opportunity. Continuous playings in Imax are a strong possibility, but I see The Dark Knight ultimetly grossing 550mil.
    Interesting topic !
  • Brian from OR · 1 year ago
    Matt I agree with you say my man
  • j · 1 year ago
    yea, i agree with that one guy, errol your stupid. without taking into account inflation, titanic sold more tickets than batman so more people actually went and saw titanic than batman. that should determine which movie was actually more popular. and please get a reality check, batman is not one of the top 20 films of all time. you need to go and rent like a couple 100 movies and you'll see why, unless you really are that ignorant.

    and thats ridiculous to call titanic a fluke b/c so many people went back and saw it b/c it was truly an amazing feat in filmmaking. there hasnt been a movie like titanic since where people kept going back to see it in large numbers. only a few movies achieve that kind of repeat business after the first week, like star wars, gone with the wind, et, all classics that will be remembered like years from now. and mind you, batman made 20% of its business the first weekend, where as titanic's first week was just a drop in the bucket.
  • Iron Matt · 1 year ago
    @Errol

    Are you trying to prove how incredibly stupid you are? Because, if so post no further, you've already succeeded.

    Also, don't DIRECTLY QUOTE ItsJustSomeRandomGuy's analysis of The Dark Knight and Iron Man and not cite him. Those were his words, not yours. You just come of sounding like an idiot when you make it seem like you were the one who came up with that.
  • 790 · 1 year ago
    Man, I've had enough TDK news to last me 10 years......
    I never thought I'd say this but I'm totally burned out on TDK,,, I don't even care about the dvd anymore.
  • Captain Awesome · 1 year ago
    790,

    haha, bullshit, and you know it. You will be there the day the DVD launches. And you will fucking LIKE IT!
  • Mayroth · 1 year ago
    Releasing the dvd the holiday season is actually a pretty good idea. I mean in a matter or like, five weeks, TDK has already made it to the #2 spot, just imagine TDK dvd around christmas. If your wanting it, go get it the second it is released on dvd, or else you'll never find it. TDK will be like a Tickle Me Elmo. Once it comes out, you'll NEVER see it again.
  • Danny · 1 year ago
    Since absolutely NOBODY else has said it... the author of this article has a great point and it's absolutely valid. For better or worse, TDK will be #1 within the next five years.

    IMAX usually lets their films run for years, and the unprecedented popularity of TDK in IMAX will only ensure that run will continue long after the DVD comes out.

    Good article
  • Batman · 1 year ago
    What difference does it make if it beats titantic there are so many factors involved in holding that top position that it doesn't even mean the top is the best movie
  • Goobity · 1 year ago
    @ Mayroth: Doubt it. I'm betting WB will be producing more than enough copies to go around...

    Also...do some of you folks actually base your enjoyment of a film on it's BO and internet blog reviews?

    Dude 1: "Man, that movie kicked ass!"
    Dude 2: "Yes, but it only grossed $10 million over it's budget, and Rotten Tomatoes gave it a bad review, so I guess I didn't like it"
    Dude 1: "Yeah me neither..."
  • 790 · 1 year ago
    Lol Cap,,,,
  • ScanCase · 1 year ago
    This entire argument is completely void because nobody seems to adjust for inflation. If you do that TDK barely cracks the top thirty of all time and Gone with the Wind is the true box office champ. I'm tired of everyone going around saying that TDK could beat Titanic and as much as I would like to see that its not going to happen if you look at the number of tickets that were sold and not how much the tickets cost.
  • Errol · 1 year ago
    What itsjustsomerandomguy said was the truth and I want people to hear it, jackass. Titanic was a fluke in the sense that it's crazy how it got people to see it since all in all it was at best a decent movie! The story was overall shaky, the acting was beyond excellent, the graphics were amazing, but editing, directing, and other technical aspects were sub par. Idiots. Oh and inflation should not count for anything because back in 96 when Titanic came out there was practically no internet, DVD's were not even on the market yet, so it's not fair with all the pirating and technology and other things that people have to do to count inflation in anything, it was a different time back then, so that is why the smart people do not use inflation as an actual count. Different times, different prices, and different technology, it is simply unfair to even consider inflation # of tickets sold, etc. There's a reason why people go by the standards they go by. And DK is one of the top 20 best films of all time and if you wanna argue it, then whatever because when AFI comes out with their new top 100 in 2018, I'll be right and you guys will be jackasses. the directing, editing, acting, writing, cinematography, lighting, etc was all perfect and WILL change future films. It was a film that did what no one thought a comic film could possibly do, and that is why it is that good, because when people ask what it is, you say it's a crime drama, not a comic book movie.
  • Errol · 1 year ago
    Oh and anyone who wants to respond with their little I'll get you with the last word comments, feel free because I'm not going back and forth with this all day every day, I tried to make you see the truth, but if you'd rather just argue with your stupid little remarks then go ahead. I won't respond to any more of these. I would like to say for one last final word: please don't use rotten tomatoes.....for anything. There's a difference between a critic and a reviewer; a reviewer says they liked/disliked the movie, while a critic actually talks about what really made it bad or good based on issues that go beyond opinion and become fact. Rotten tomatoes is full of reviewers spouting their opinions and getting paid for it, as opposed to the critics who actually deserve it.
  • Goobity · 1 year ago
    Get over yourself, Errol. TDK was a decent movie, but it was FAR from the best of all time. Also, critics and reviewers are the same thing. They're paid to offer mindless opinions to those too lazy to think for themselves.

    Good day.
  • Iron Matt · 1 year ago
    Then cite it. Don't take credit for something that you didn't originally say.
  • Sean · 1 year ago
    How about we all talk about something besides the dark knight? It's getting old, real fast.
  • Matt · 1 year ago
    @ Errol

    since you won't respond to anymore of these than sit back and listen to this. get over yourself! the dark knight had its share of flaws too. the ending was subpar, the movie was long, and two face really never got his chance to shine. while the dark knight was a good movie, it is far from top 100. so stop posting crap trying to make yourself sound so much better than everyone else.
  • 10inches · 1 year ago
    Movie ticket prices are nearly 2x more expensive now compared to over a decade ago when Titanic was released. With that said, Titanic is not the money maker movie of all time. There are few older movies that tops Titanic with inflation differences.

    Common sense will tell u that Dark Knight is nowhere near what Titanic accumulated. Now with that in mind, Dark Knight's 500+ million would only equal to 250+ million if it was release a decade ago, hence the inflation. Now could you really compare? Come on, this topic should not even be here.
  • Jarred · 1 year ago
    If TDK is re-released in theaters at a later date and beats Titanics' record, then that record-in my eyes and the eyes of those with knowledge of the film industry-comes with an asterisk. The headline will read "TDK IS THE NO.1 BOX OFFICE HIT OF ALL TIME, BUT WAIT, IT NEEDED A RE-RELEASE TO DO IT"
  • Liz · 1 year ago
    What difference does it make which movie's #1? Personally, I loved both movies and comparing them based on how much money they made at the box office is ridiculous especially since they're completely different GENRES. Whether or not TDK becomes #1 at a later date doesn't make a difference, especially since enjoying the film is more important than the tag lines that come along with it.
  • gotta let this hen out · 1 year ago
    errrol, how can we take what you say seriously when you can't even get the facts straight? titanic came out in december of 1997. it made most of all of it's money though in the winter of 1998. it never even came out in 1996. which isn't hard to find out if you do a google search. but well....
  • Knight · 1 year ago
    Two different era's.

    In this digital age where we can download whatever we want. In this age of piracy and a horrible economy; it is amazing that The Dark Knight has down what it's done. Whether people want to admit it or not, it redefined it's genre and was brilliant piece of filmmaking. It doesn't have to beat Titanic because it's already placed it's own stamp on history. The Dark Knight is the greatest comic-book movie/superhero movie of all time. It's one of the greatest sequels of all time, and it's one of the best examples of film-making to come out in years; especially for a high level blockbuster.

    In regards to Titanic; it was a phenomenon. It was one that I never got, but nonetheless it was. Now there's a reason why. Titanic had NO competition during it's run. It was the movie to see for 9 months. These days a movie will be lucky to make it to 5 months. The VHS didn't come out for months. The movie market is completely different. Studio's set up their pictures to make money VERY fast; hence why it's normal to have movie's drop 50 percent on their second weekend. Now everyone wants to use inflation against The Dark Knight. I'm going to use it against Titanic. If Titanic was released today, there is absolutely, positively NO WAY it would reach the numbers it did. It would at most make 400 million. Why? A major blockbuster would have come out 2 weeks later, cutting it's legs in half, talking away the attention. Regardless it did what it did in its time, just like TDK did what it did in its (domestically).
  • Errol · 1 year ago
    Yay! Someone with intelligence! Amen to Knight!
  • bulgarian solicitor · 1 year ago
    The Dark Knight wasn't THAT great a movie, and neither was Titanic.
  • scott · 1 year ago
    DARK has just pretty much fucked the titanic in its ass. and i agree with everything he says, the dark knight is simply the better of the 2 because of the reasons above
  • movieman · 1 year ago
    It won't beat Titanic even with a rerelease. Most rereleases only gross an extra $20-50 million and TDK will finish at $532 million, $69 million shy of even tying Titanic. Even if it did hypothically beat out Titanic, a rerelease technically doesn't count because Titanic was never rereleased. Star Wars original gross was only $288 million before being rereleased 4 times. Titanic is one of those special movies that should never be beaten in my opinion